Humans in Wolves clothing - how do you envision shared future which doesn't exclude anybody.

About a month ago person name Iman Hijjo joined mepeace.org a social network similar of iPeace. Iman Hijjo, the infant girl who was killed by the Israeli shelling of Gaza on May 7th 2001..

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Childhood
Three small dreams, alone
pass through the night
searching for a house
the moment that the shell
pulverised the child's heart

by Ibrahim Nasrallah
source: http://www.sakakini.org/literature/inasrallah.htm
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The avatar posted very hard to watch images of Palestinians victims of the occupation. After some time the user was banned and it was clear it does not respect the community.

The person who run this user was apparently very happy to prove the point that mepeace.org did not tolerate his views, will he do the same in iPeace?

As some of the member here may be offended from the text I copied from other site, please avoid any Retaliation. I copied it to show the different views of people on the activity in peace oriented social network and allow us to focus of how we transcend and include this kind of aggressive attack who wish to destroy instead of bringing their perspectives and working with us to create a future that include us all. because the one who did this and wrote the post bellow cannot be excluded and is part of our future.

The last time I checked The original post Wolves in sheep clothing removed from its place.So we should not relate this text that I quoted to any real person just as example of expression of resistance.


I ask no personal attacks on the one who wrote this or me or any one who comment here, no images. just observe are you seeing Humans in Wolves clothing or Wolves in sheep clothing?


please tell me how do you envision shared future which doesn't exclude anybody?

Thank you

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John: I am puzzled by the 'humans in wolves' clothing' reference, and would like to ask Neri just exactly who he was thinking of when he wrote it.

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John,

In some sense all what I am saying is in the name.

The original post name "Wolves in sheep clothing" which is a well known and use human metaphor we all share. (and I will not be surprised to find that the core of this metaphor is Arab). This metaphor link to the images of evil creatures who are hiding under sheep skin. this is a very strong claim that there are people who are not honest to be a peaceful sheep and the actually wolves who seek prey.

In the title I selected here "Humans in Wolves clothing" I am suggesting to use the metaphor one step further and recognize that these people who we think of as wolves are human under it so we can work with them to create our mutual future.

I wish the best and seek ways to work with people who are sure I am a wolves and I see that they are humans as me. I forgive them not to recognize that and love them as my brothers.

for them it will continue to be a "Wolves in sheep clothing" no matter what I say or do since they are "Humans in Wolves clothing" who do not recognize my human core same bit of heart same metaphors.

It is sad, but full of hope since are all "in clothing" of our dogma and self righteousness fail to recognize somethings in us. we are all imperfect humans who need to solve this fucking hard puzzle that kills in us. Any true honest human will tell you that any solution for human problem must includes everybody with no exceptions in any body's clothing can solve.

I have no doubt in my mind that we are all "Humans in SOMETHING clothing" and as Humans we will think and act for our share basic identity,


This is why I choose this title.


Thank you for asking.
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original post (that was deleted) which give us a glimpse about how some people see the Israeli Palestinian conflict :

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Wolves in sheep clothing

Iman Hijjo, murdered in her mother's arms @ 4 months old

Wolves in sheep clothing

Yesterday, I joined the very ominous sinister site “mepeace” using the name Iman (above photo); I posted one link to the film “The Iron Wall” and only 10 pictures!!
Within less than 15 hours I was totally banned, my IP was blocked, and I can’t access the site even to read!

Now, to those blood-soaked criminals who come frothing with fake words of peace but get incensed and infuriated when they hear the word justice, I would say:

Masters of lies and dishonesty

I would like to see you talking to the Nazis who abused you without asking them to acknowledge their crimes

I would like to see how you respond to those who deny the holocaust

I would like to see you turning a blind eye to Hitler’s crimes and moving forward without asking for justice or compensation

Masters of terror and deceit

How do you want us to move on with out YOU acknowledging your crimes of theft, ethnic cleansing and genocide, yet you demand that the whole world acknowledges the crimes of Hitler against you?

Masters of arrogance and conceit

How could you deny our Catastrophe and your responsibility for it, yet insist and make sure that anyone who even doubts (let alone denies) the holocaust or the number six millions has to pay severely by imprisonment and loss of livelihood and even life?


Masters of mischief and evil doing

God had sent you many warnings; that you do not transgress or do mischief in the land, but your arrogance, self interest, greed and supremacy are blinding you from seeing the evil you are doing

Instead of acknowledging your crimes and establishing justice, you are still in a state of total denial, carried away with more crimes, more lies, and suppression of truth

Instead of repentance and accepting that you have wronged us, you try to silence our faint voices causing more deception, concealing the truth and sinking deeply in the abyss of immorality and wickedness


Your Jewishness, your self interest, your love of material gains and you drunkenness by power is what you worship now not the God of goodness, peace and justice

My warning to you now is the same warning given to your ancestors by many prophets and prophetic voices

You are descending deeper in the hole that you dug for yourselves by your evil deeds, your denial of truth, and by your inability to ask for forgiveness

The crimes that you have committed against us are indeed painful and agonizing, but it’s only done against our physical bodies, our souls are out of your reach and forever intact; however, it’s your own souls that you are disfiguring and destroying, if only you knew

Unfortunate, pitiable and deceived souls

You have lost your humanity and killed your own souls if only you could see

Unless and until you acknowledge your crimes and correct the wrongs you have committed there will be a dark bleak and desolate future awaiting for you

And this is a promise

Mischief makers

They cry peace, but what they mean is war; they scream freedom but what they mean is enslavement; they shout democracy but what they mean is democracy for their own kind.

The Quran describes such people whose words contradict their deeds:

“And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not. (2:11-12)”


WARNING

“And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and will become tyrants and behave insolently with extreme arrogance.” (17:4)

“When the first of the warnings came to pass, We sent against you Our servants of mighty prowess: They entered the very inmost parts of your homes; and it was a warning (completely) fulfilled.” (17:5)

“Afterwards, we will give you a turn over them, and will grant you an increase of wealth and children; we will give you the upper hand.” (17:6)

“If you do good, it will be for your own benefit, but if you do evil, it will be against your souls. When the prophecy of your second transgression will come to pass, sadness will cover your faces. They (your enemies) will enter the mosque as they did the first time, they will wipe out all the gains you had accomplished.” (17:7)

“It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, but if you revert to transgression, we will counter with retribution. We have designated hell as a final abode for those who conceal the truth.” (17:8)

The ONLY thing that could save you -arrogant zionists- from a bleak and painful future is to reverse your evil ways of oppression, arrogance and greed, and act like civilized human beings, with justice and compassion

But mischief makers perceive not
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NOTE: the post was real, but please do not try to inform us about its origin. Please look into the question of what unite us all.

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Rúach said:
if there is no movement here...then stop...take a moment and ask God to show you another avenue to resolve the greater issue.

This discussion is repetative and non productive.

There are so many other productive discussions on this site that have progress in them.

Ruach. Good point

And by the way, Ruach is wind in Arabic too
Thank you Rúach for this breeze of fresh air

I really prefer the "human" size as you suggest, observation instead of debate.

if there is no movement here...then stop...take a moment and ask God to show you another avenue to resolve the greater issue.
Trust, refreshing trust, intuitive trust, authentic trust is needed between us, and all of us need to cooperatively unconditionally develop it here among us. it cannot be one sided nor it can be conditional, because this is the essence of trust

We need trust and recognize we are all within this one Rúach we are one,
I really don't think that anything interesting will come out of the thread. Why am I coming back to it?
I think that that's the last visit
Thank you Michael,

I recognize what David say about the feeling of pointless when some of the people were interested in debating instead of observing. attacking me for suggesting "Humans in Wolves clothing "or the other the person who wrote the "Wolves in sheep clothing"

unpeacefulness is within a lot of people exist on time when the conflict killing us it attack us internally too. to transform the whole society of people who lives in the middle east we need to recognize this state and see its influence on us, no matter what "side" you are in.

Peace is recognizing oneness, it recognizing the current moment and our embodiment in it.

In this post I tried to present its expression and propose the holistic view of recognizing ourselves as one. seeing that as one we need more inclusive world view to manifest ourselves as a peaceful one entity of people with different culture components, different "narratives" of history, different health and wealth condition who seek mutual future that will balance, our common capacity to create Just Sustainable open Peace who will make us create even better conditions for our children.

This emerge of capacity to directly communicated with all the voices within the conflict as it done in IPeace, mepeace.org, Palestine Israel Crossroads and many others who are forming a new sphere to deepen our trust, knowledge and cooperation to manifest that.

Its is not a Peaceful effort to create Peace conditions, but it needs to be acted from a Peaceful mind who desire to learn and invest his or her wisdom, experience and heart in that.

I wish to hear more voices reflecting on this, I wish more people to betel the idea, that non of the persons who wrote Wolves in sheep clothing or Humans in Wolves clothing is something different then example of human being exists within the one network of human beings which emerge around us. this is the state of all of us, no exceptions.






Michael John Smith said:
I feel I must disagree with what has been implied about the worthlessness of debate. The Jews say that to save just one person is to save the entire human race (or something like that). I agree. We must look at saving people, not just saving face. Let the debate continue, I say, until every one of us is exhausted. We've all got better things to do on this site haven't we - or have we? Anyway we can be in more than one place at a time. The point is taken that such a debate could lead to unpeacefulness, but what the hell, this is a virtual world - nobody is actually being really unpeaceful or violent. I for one am following the debate and think it is useful - not a waste of time at all.
A peaceful future that includes everyone ???

Justice is the way forward. With justice, everyone can live with fairness and equality of opportunities.

Those who want more than their share will often fight to maintain their privilege, thus creating misery for the majority. Justice is what will overcome warfare. We need to be prepared to make it clear that nothing else will be acceptable.

Some people worry that justice is not possible, and become afraid they cannot have peace if justice is a pre-requisite. You can have peace without justice, but there will still be considerable discontent, and abundant opportunities for further conflict. If you have justice, peace is the automatic result.

All you need is a substantial number of people who will vote for justice ahead of privilege. (You might only need about 40% of the population, because the rest manage to throw their vote away on some piece of foolishness.)

Justice = Peace
Yeah I believe in peace mere words would not help much we must find some kind of solution or innervation to defuse hatred and voilences in any part of the world..lets look for some remedies for these sickness of the world which is affacting millions of life on peaceful earth..

Donna Qawasmi said:
Dear Ruach ,

we live in the middleast .... and being part of the place in conflict is very hard ,,, we have anger inside anger from violence form killing from insulting but its our trun as peacemakers to transform this anger in peaceful way ... we have the right to resist but it moust not in violence way we can do it by talking acting and doing thingd in peace

peace to all

Donna
Thank you Christine

Justice is a significant human value and I think it is important to emphasis it as you propose, the voice of justice that call us to be fair to all, to stop evil one sided activities and nourish equality.

Justice is a very important component of Peace.


I think we see some different structure of Peace, as I see it build by many components, I usually say that for Justice within our human tissue we need to have the capacity to manifest it. We need to make sure we understand the process and we recognize that all sides included, The Justice of the Jewish holocaust survival is not more nor less then the Naqba refugee. we are who we are, we live in the same region, breath the same air, can should seek forward to times where all the children have secure healthy wealthy just world where the can grow to be contributing members for the world of our children. The Justice is obvious but the Peace cannot be reduced to be equate to be Justice, it do no justice with the concepts of sharing the resources of earth and humanity for the good of our planet. this is not Justice, this is the blessing we want to create for our children.


Please see we have different views we emphasizes different components but we can trust both of us to live in the Peace the other propose, the future for us to be justfully share.






Christine Quelch said:
A peaceful future that includes everyone ???

Justice is the way forward. With justice, everyone can live with fairness and equality of opportunities.

Those who want more than their share will often fight to maintain their privilege, thus creating misery for the majority. Justice is what will overcome warfare. We need to be prepared to make it clear that nothing else will be acceptable.

Some people worry that justice is not possible, and become afraid they cannot have peace if justice is a pre-requisite. You can have peace without justice, but there will still be considerable discontent, and abundant opportunities for further conflict. If you have justice, peace is the automatic result.

All you need is a substantial number of people who will vote for justice ahead of privilege. (You might only need about 40% of the population, because the rest manage to throw their vote away on some piece of foolishness.)

Justice = Peace
Passang,

I will not add many words, just this : we can recognize we still have a lot to do in order to be functionality fit to the activities we really need to do. I think that the sience of finding and providing the remedies is important human task, as many other conflicts as the one in Tibet.


one of the remedies we need is for this tendency for conflicts and eagerness to win over the other. finding remedies for the conflict of Tibet and the Palestine-Israeli ones will release more energies and human talent to our ability to share health with all.




Passang said:
Yeah I believe in peace mere words would not help much we must find some kind of solution or innervation to defuse hatred and voilences in any part of the world..lets look for some remedies for these sickness of the world which is affacting millions of life on peaceful earth..

Donna Qawasmi said:
Dear Ruach ,

we live in the middleast .... and being part of the place in conflict is very hard ,,, we have anger inside anger from violence form killing from insulting but its our trun as peacemakers to transform this anger in peaceful way ... we have the right to resist but it moust not in violence way we can do it by talking acting and doing thingd in peace

peace to all

Donna
Neri, I think you and I have different ideas about the meaning of the word justice. But, I do not live in a war zone, so for me it is always easier to contemplate these issues, without becoming distressed,

Best Wishes, Christine
I wish that all who were involved in this discussion will live in such superb habitat of "No War", I hope that this is part of the world Justice for us who live in Palestine and Israel and deserve it equally as human being (with different cultural and Identity clothings). I wish we can agree on that.

We need to create that capacity for have the same Justice that you see manifest in Peace times.

Peace.
Neri


Christine Quelch said:
Neri, I think you and I have different ideas about the meaning of the word justice. But, I do not live in a war zone, so for me it is always easier to contemplate these issues, without becoming distressed,
Best Wishes, Christine
David Califa said:
I really don't think that anything interesting will come out of the thread. Why am I coming back to it?
I think that that's the last visit

I retract. I did come back. and I did find interest. It was silly to think that the thread has run its course.

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