Hindu Scriptural Quotes on Women

(note: if you're reading this: THESE VIEWS ARE NOT MINE, AT ALL, in fact i feel the converse and always have. so if you read it and it pisses you off, please, consider that before you fire back at me. Thanks.)

An anthology of sacred quotes from Hinduism on women.


A wife, obedient to her husband, renowned, light-footed, eloquent in speech, sympathetic to the patients, attains to happiness when she lives peacefully with her husband, and nicely cooks the food highly efficacious, and grown through rain, conducive to our physical growth, brought daily in use, and relished by our ancestors. Yajur Veda Chapter XXXIII, Verse 59


Rama (addressing Bharata) said: "Do you keep your womenfolk pacified? Are they duly protected by you? I hope you do not repose excessive faith in them and do not confide your secrets to them." Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 100.49


Krishna said: "For, taking refuge in Me, they also who, O Arjuna, may be of sinful birth--women, vaisyas as well as sudras--attain the Supreme Goal." Bhagavad Gita, Ch.9, Verse 32

[Commentary by Swami Shivananda, Rishikesh:
"........Women and Sudras are debarred by social rules from the study of the Vedas. ...."]


Men must make their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is not fit for independence. Manusmriti 9.2-3


They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX


Addressing Shakuntala, Dushmanta said:
"Women generally speak untruth" The Mahabharata Adi Parva, Section LXXIV


Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:
Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX


Women do not care for beauty, nor is their attention fixed on age; (thinking), '(It is enough that) he is a man,' they give themselves to the handsome and to the ugly. Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however carefully they may be guarded in this (world). Knowing their disposition, which the Lord of creatures laid in them at the creation, to be such, (every) man should most strenuously exert himself to guard them. (When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct. For women no (sacramental) rite (is performed) with sacred texts, thus the law is settled; women (who are) destitute of strength and destitute of (the knowledge of) Vedic texts, (are as impure as) falsehood (itself), that is a fixed rule. Manusmriti 9.14-18


For women there is no ornament more valuable than their husbands. Valmiki Ramayana Sunder Kanda, 16-26


A damsel whose menses begin to appear (while she is living) at her father's house, before she has been betrothed to a man, has to be considered as a degraded woman: by taking her (without the consent of her kinsmen) a man commits no wrong. Vishnusmriti 24.41


"Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17


Sage Ashtavakra said:
Women can never be their own mistresses. This is the opinion of the Creator himself, viz., that a woman never deserves to be independent. There is not a single woman in the three worlds that deserves to be regarded as the mistress of her own self. The father protects her while she is a maiden. The husband protects her while she is in youth. Sons protect her when she is aged. Women can never be independent as long as they live. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XX


Even if destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere), or devoid of good qualities, a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife. Manusmriti 5.154


After the death of her husband, a woman should preserve her chastity or ascend the pyre after him. Vishnusmriti 25.14


Arjuna said:
When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrishni, comes unwanted progeny. Bhagavad Gita, Ch.1, Verse 40


Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man. Krishna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6.5.8.2


Rama said:
For a (married) woman, so long as she is alive, her husband indeed is her deity as well as her lord. ... Nay, that woman who, though extremely noble and keenly devoted to sacred observances and fasts, does not serve her husband, is sure to attain the destiny of a sinner. Through service to one's husband (on the other hand) even that woman who does not offer salutations (to anyone other than her husband) and is averse to the worship of gods secures the highest heaven. Intent on doing that which is pleasing and good to her husband, a (married) woman should, therefore do service to him alone: this is the lasting duty enjoined on a woman in the Vedas as well as in the Smrti texts. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 24


Sita said:
In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6


Addressing sage Ashtavakra, the old Lady said:
The very deities of wind and fire and water, or the other celestials, O regenerate one, are not so agreeable to women as the deity of desire. Verily, women are exceedingly fond of sexual congress. Among a thousand women, or perhaps, among hundreds of thousands, sometimes only one may be found that is devoted to her husband. When under the influence of desire, they care not for family or father or mother or brother or husband or sons or husband's brother, but pursue the way that desire points out. ...Verily, in pursuit of what they consider happiness, they destroy the family to which they belong by birth or marriage, even as many queenly rivers eat away the banks that contain them. Even women that are aged are tortured by the desire of sexual union. The Creator himself had said this, quickly marking the faults of women. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX & XXI


One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says. Manusmriti 8.203-204


Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:
It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29


A woman who has been unchaste should worship Siva in his calm aspect, Siva who is Kama. Then she should summon a Brahmin and give herself to him, thinking, 'This is Kama who has come for the sake of sexual pleasure.' And whatever the Brahmin wishes, the sensuous woman should do. For thirteen months she should honour in this way any Brahmin who comes to the house for the sake of sexual pleasures, and there is no immorality in this for noble ladies or prostitutes. Matsya Purana 70.40-60 (cf. Mahabharata III, 2.23)


A discarded wife is one who has no son. ... For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity). Shatapatha Brahmana 5.3.1.13


It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); for that reason the wise are never unguarded in (the company of) females. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not only a fool, but even a learned man, and (to make) him a slave of desire and anger. One should not sit in a lonely place with one's mother, sister, or daughter; for the senses are powerful, and master even a learned man. Manusmriti 2.213-215


A union of a twice-born man with a Sudra wife can never produce religious merit; it is from carnal desire only that he marries her, being blinded by lust. Men of the three first castes, who through folly marry a woman of the lowest caste, quickly degrade their families and progeny to the state of Sudras. If his oblations to the gods and manes and (his hospitable attentions) to guests are offered principally through her (a Sudra wife's) hands, the gods and manes (and the guests) will not eat such offerings, and he will not go to heaven. Vishnusmriti 26.5-7


And whilst not coming into contact with Sudras and remains of food; for this Gharma is he that shines yonder, and he is excellence, truth, and light; but woman, the Sudra, the dog, and the crow, are untruth: he should not look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin, light and darkness, truth and untruth. Shatapatha Brahmana 14.1.1.31


Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:
"A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B


Bhishma said:
Women have one eternal duty in this world, viz., dependence upon and obedient service to their husbands, and as such, this one duty constitutes their only end. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section LIX

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SAI BABA MOLESTED ME #1
by John Bright
November 13, 2001 at 7:49 AM

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For me personally the Sai Baba debate is over.The bottom line is this:I am an American.I lived continuously in Sai Baba's ahsrams from 1994-1996.Like most devotees staying at his ashrams, I followed him wherever he travelled.(his ashram at Puttaparti, Brindavan and Kodaikanal etc.)

I was completely ignored by Baba for most of the two years until 1996 when I was called for an interview with a group of fellow American devotees.During the main interview he granted me a private interview.During this private interview he sexually molested me. There was no room for misinterpretation on my part and Sai Baba was'nt trying to activate my kundalini or any of the hundreds of other rationalizations and denials that devotees and believers in Sai Baba come up with. Also, this wasn't a matter of an impure, egoistic, finite mind of a mere mortal misinterpreting a pure god-man whose actions are born of of an infinite mind so vast and complex that it is beyond the capability of the limited finite human mind to accurately judge or understand. His actions were for his own sexual gratification.(If he is activating my kundalini why would he try to get me to put his erect penis in my mouth) Another point here: If not a blade of grass moves without his will why couldn't he simply activate the kundalini of us young men (and in some cases boys) by his mere sankalpa or will or thought-power. And as for the arguement that he does it to give the devotees the pleasure of human interaction with the divine, this simply does'nt hold water. Anybody who has had this happen is usually severely traumatized and leaves Sai Baba forever.

I admit that it is hard to believe these stories of sexual molestation when you read what Sai baba teaches (universal love, harmlessness, feed the poor, help ever hurt never). In fact if I had'nt had my experience I probably would'nt believe them.

When I returned to America in 1996 after my traumatic episode with Sai Baba I spent at least two years trying to heal and to hold on to some form of sanity. I didn't try to tell any devotees of Sai Baba what had happened to me because I knew that to do so would be futile.A devotee is told to not harbor negative thoughts and to snuff them out immediately and any thought contrary to the thought that "Sai Baba is God" definitely qualifies as a negative thought in an ardent devotees mind.It was'nt until I saw the September-October 2000 issue of Nexus magazine that I truly entertained the possibiity of reaching devotees and convincing them of the truth of what I had experienced. In that issue was an article titled: Sai Baba:Guru Gone Wrong? For the first time I read the Findings report by Faye and David Baily; in it were similiar experiences to my own. I knew for the first time I had credible evidence to back up my story. I knew that there would be a chance afterall of covincing devotees of what happened to me should I choose to try.

The first and only attempt to date came when I went to see an old Sai friend. I asked him if he had heard the stories in nexus magazine and he said he had.To my suprise he didn't seem phased by it or even disturbed. He also acknowledged that he was aware of the critical stories of Sai Baba on the web. He said that he saw a lot of anger in them. I then, without going into detail, let him know that I had similiar experiences. He said that he viewed Sai Baba a little differently than most people; that to him Sai Baba was not God but an advahut (a highly advanced spiritual being who is still nonetheless climbing the spiritual ladder to perfection) the gist of what my friend continued to say was that we all, including himself, have sexual appetites and that people have their own sexual preferences. The meeting was cut short because he had an appointment and I left by simply saying that he interpretedted these things differently than me.

I moved to another city and have not spoken to him since, though I hope to some day. I left a little bit stunned-where had I gone wrong? As I drove home I thought that my friend may have thought I was attacking the right to choose a homosexual life style. This wasn't the case. I was attacking a man who claims to be God, who claims to be free of all worldly desires but who at the same time regularly molests young men and boys against their will. Even if I accepted the premise that he was an advahut that still didm't excuse Sai Baba's activities. Part and parcel of advancing spiritually (at least in eastern spirituality) is the shedding of bodily appetites and worldly desires. Yet Sai Baba's sexual appetites outweighs the sexual desires of the so-called average man mired in the world of maya (illusion) or samsara. If he is an advahut then by definition one would certainly expect him to have gained more self-control over his bodily desires than the average man. So any way you look at it the advahut arguement just doesn't fly. So that ended my first and only attempt( at the time of this writing) to speak to a fellow devotee about my experience.

I must admit I understand the denial of a devotee or true believer in Sai Baba probably better than anyone. I was the world's worst when it came to denial until I was sexually molested by Sai Baba. I refused to listen to anything even remotely critical of him. If someone tried I would walk away and if I could'nt I would tune them out to the best of my ability.

If you try to tell an ardent devotee an experience like mine they will either believe that you are a deliberate liar or they will say that your impure mind has projected it impurity on Sai Baba's selflessly pure acts. There is simply no way to win with a true believer (I know, I was one).

There are different groups of Sai Baba devotees:the truly ardent(or the true believers) like I mentioned above. They will refuse to listen to anything negative about Sai Baba and if they must listen they will tune out all that you say (I fell into this group). The next group will listen to negative statements about Sai Baba and they will make a pretense of objectivity, but they still operate on the premise that:"Sai Baba just has to be God"; that, right there, is the death-nell of any true openess or objectivity. Like a computer running on a certain program they will throw out any thing contrary to their programming - in this case the programming is that"Sai Baba is God"and anything indicating otherwise is thrown out. Then there is a third, more rare group, they are truly objective and will genuinely listen to, and consider, new evidence even if it makes them uncomfortable.

For those of you out there who believe in these stories of sexual molestation about Sai Baba and who want to get the word out, I believe it is importent to understand this denial mechanism present in the minds of those who resist accepting the evidence. By understanding it, it may just help you reach them. Sometimes even this understanding isn't enough in such cases all we can do is practice the age-old spiritual virtue of patience. Each of these individual horror stories of sexual molestation is like a brick; one, two or three bricks alone, may hardly be noticeable, but as the stories continue to come in and as the bricks continue to pile up, a wall is being built, and a wall cannot be ignored. My story is one of those bricks. Alone these stories are weak but together they are strong.

This is my first time to share my story in any kind of public forum. In a way, I am kind of testing the waters with this posting. I am still a little uncomfortable sharing my story and up to now I have been very careful and selective about when and with whom I share it. I did'nt really go into any great detail about what happened in the private interview room with Sai Baba in this posting but I may in the future in another posting. I'm not sure yet, but one day I may try to write a polished, complete version of my story. There is more to tell and more details to fill in.

In case this has been forwarded elsewhere I want to say that this is originally appearing as a posting on Craig Hamilton Parkers website on his Sai Baba debate posting board. Though,Craig believes that Sai Baba is who he says he is, he encourages open debate about Sai Baba on the message board and records responses made to each posting. If you are interested his web address is: www.psychics.co.uk
To get to the message board scroll down the home page until you see Sai Baba listed on the menu. Click on the words Sai Baba. This will take you to another page. Click on the Sai Baba message board heading on this page and it will take you to the Sai Baba debate posting board. When you get there look for the posting that asks the question" is Sai Baba good or evil" and you can read more of my reasons for why he is evil. Also scroll down the posting board and click on the posting:" Sai Baba is a fraud"the posting gives several good links that you can click on that will take you to sites that give damning evidence against SaiBaba.

I encourage you to forward this posting to anyone that might have an interest or to anyone that it might help; I intend to do the same.

Since a significant percentage of devotees of Sai Baba will avoid the completely negative websites like the plague, Craig's site may be just the place to reach those people that need to be reached by those of us who know the truth about Sai Baba.
Before I go I want to thank you Craig for being open enough to allow this open debate despite your beliefs in Sai Baba's authenticity.

However, (Craig) there are two things that you mentioned that I want to address.
You said that if a person sees Sai Baba as a molester then Sai Baba will become a molester and if we see him as God he will become God. I think I see where you are going with that. There is a philosphy that mind is the builder and that perception and belief create reality; while I believe there is truth in this I also believe that it gets twisted. For example: I may choose not to believe that the sun will rise tomorrow and this belief may prevent me from accepting that the sun will rise tomorrow but my belief will not prevent the objective fact that the sun will rise tomorrow. In a similiar way my personal belief that Sai Baba is or is not a molester will in no way change the objective reality. Sai Baba either is or is not a child molester; my personal beliefs do'nt change the objective truth about Sai Baba only my acceptance or rejection of it.

Finally, you mentioned that Sai Baba told a woman in an interview that she would be able to get an interview whenever she wanted in the future because devotees would be leaving him in droves (when I was in India I heard something along similiar lines). You seem to use this as evidence of Sai Baba's omniscience as well as a way to discredit these stories of sexual molestation. I will simply say this; if you were a molester in Sai Baba's position and you knew that the word was getting out or was likely to get out and that people were talking, what better way to cover your tracks and conduct damage control than to say such things. He is killing two birds with one stone - he creates the illusion that his knowledge is born of omniscience when it comes to pass and at the same time he discredits these stories of sexual molestation. His prediction comes not from omnscience but from the knowledge of what he is doing to young men in his private interview room and the knowledge that it is leaking out.

I want to thank you again, Craig for this forum and I wish you and all who read this the best.

I pray that we all will find the Light,Love and Truth that we seek.

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