What is the point, really? - iPeace.us2024-03-28T22:35:45Zhttps://ipeace.us/forum/topics/what-is-the-point-really?commentId=2217368%3AComment%3A837268&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI keep hearing the frustratio…tag:ipeace.us,2009-01-06:2217368:Comment:9006442009-01-06T02:53:48.353ZErnest Lopezhttps://ipeace.us/profile/ErnestLopez
I keep hearing the frustration and sense of defeat in some discussions. What I don't hear often enough is that by coming to know that there are many, many people on this planet that desire peace, that are looking for that high and noble path to peace, we have begun to form a new community. But we won't succeed until we awaken to the need to surrender our egos, to sacrifice our sacred cows. We are one human race and i sometimes hear this stated but i don't think we understand the reality…
I keep hearing the frustration and sense of defeat in some discussions. What I don't hear often enough is that by coming to know that there are many, many people on this planet that desire peace, that are looking for that high and noble path to peace, we have begun to form a new community. But we won't succeed until we awaken to the need to surrender our egos, to sacrifice our sacred cows. We are one human race and i sometimes hear this stated but i don't think we understand the reality expressed by the thought of racial unity. It is too simple. Peace is unattainable unless and until the unity of the human race is achieved; mankind is united as one organic whole. I heard a love song to all mankind on another page of this iPeace site....."there is not enough love to go around"....the answer is why not? What am I doing to about it. A dynamic change in the culture of the various social groups(religious, ethnic, class, etc.) need to take place and will take place. It is not a matter of if but of when. When you and others embrace concepts of brotherhood you are on the cutting edge of cultural change. That we are not sufficiently aware of the change so imperceptable taking place does not deter it from happening. Take for example the cultural change taking place in the entire world today. I am talking about the recognition of the that men and women are equal. We acknowledge this but after almost a century of becoming conscious of this fact we still have a glass ceiling in this the most liberated nation on the planet.....but we are moving toward that goal inspite of the fact that culture is so resistant to change. If ten women had not gotten together and talked....it would not be happening today. I would also give up if i were discouraged by the unconscious state of most of the writers. Example: What is the biggest barrier to peace? Answer: Religion and greed are the two most common answers. These answers only show how we humans use scapegoats(primitive!). It is not religion but misuse of moral and ethical teachings; greed is the undeveloped condition of the imature who can not or do not reflect on the reality of life and the requirements for living successfully. No body needs millions of dollars. But some truly belive they do. But we continue treating symtoms but we never address the cause of the illness, namely ignorance. We are ingnorant of purpose; equally ignorant of cause and effect. Or if i wish to be completely cynical, I know but don't care! We can do today what has not been possible to do in past times. We know enough about the home of man to know that we must take care of it(our Planet Earth). Do we? We know enough to turn this Earth into paradise. Will we? We desperately need to educate our selves. We need to understand the place of religion as a vehicle of true faith. i believe that we as a race are too far gone to achieve this but in the last century there lived a Man who has the key, His name is Baha. Religious fanaticism, ignorante of the meaning life we follow blind leaders, religious and political. Why don't we ask ourselves the question..why? what? Because we are caught in a cultural bubble like the fly in a car that is on its way to another place.<br />
But to close. I saw a dynamic change in 1960s. The youth of this great nation said to the keepers of our culture, "a pox on your hypocrisy. Hell no we won't go!" and begin to break the cycle of power of our society and to challenged our government and the racist social order that they had been born into.....American youth talked to each other and left the older generation out of the discussion until it conceeded. No, Rami, the youth did not build anything. They distroyed some of the barriers that a crystalized society had errected to maintain the status quo. But having destroyed they made it possible for you and me to begin building a new creation, a new reality. But ego and desire to lead and to be important in the new social order will prevent success until we learn to do for the sake of love of one another and not for the applause.<br />
Enough said. Baruch ha Shem v'shalom. your brother, ernie Beau travail que vous faites.tag:ipeace.us,2009-01-04:2217368:Comment:8825922009-01-04T14:37:40.353Zmartinehttps://ipeace.us/profile/martine
Beau travail que vous faites.
Beau travail que vous faites. Greetings . I joined this gro…tag:ipeace.us,2009-01-02:2217368:Comment:8624702009-01-02T14:12:10.694ZRon Dean 09https://ipeace.us/profile/RonDean09
Greetings . I joined this group , to connect and learn , and debate about opinions . Certainly spending time on<br />
a computer , may not seem as productive as good hard activism , but I think that both things are essential<br />
to a successful outcome .<br />
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The power of the written word , has showed many times throughout history . It's the old , Pen versus the Sword , thing .<br />
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We are here to support people like you , in what ways that we can . We can only do so , if you communicate with us . I hope to…
Greetings . I joined this group , to connect and learn , and debate about opinions . Certainly spending time on<br />
a computer , may not seem as productive as good hard activism , but I think that both things are essential<br />
to a successful outcome .<br />
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The power of the written word , has showed many times throughout history . It's the old , Pen versus the Sword , thing .<br />
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We are here to support people like you , in what ways that we can . We can only do so , if you communicate with us . I hope to learn more , about your stuff , and see if there is an opportunity to contribute .<br />
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I go up to the Big City , an participate in protests and marches . Go to two or three day workshops ,<br />
about Facilitator training , or BEING CHANGE . I attend Church groups and Interfaith and Inter-Religious groups .<br />
I've been to many Political offices , newspaper and TV offices , and everywhere else that I can think of .<br />
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It is very frustrating , when change comes so slowly .<br />
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I guess , that for me " What is the point really " is that this is the best that I can manage , at this point in<br />
time . That the learning that I gain here , will benefit me , the next time I face influential people , who seem to feel that it helps their conscience , to let an activist be heard .<br />
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I am also here , to gain calmness back , and feel that others do understand , and are not blind .<br />
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Working towards Peace and Prosperity allways Sincerely Ron . To clarify on my last post. I…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-31:2217368:Comment:8471012008-12-31T19:24:33.453ZMike Morinhttps://ipeace.us/profile/MikeMorin
To clarify on my last post. I am absolutely AGAINST building new settlements on desert land.<br />
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Peace,<br />
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Mike Morin<br />
<a href="http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com">www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com</a>
To clarify on my last post. I am absolutely AGAINST building new settlements on desert land.<br />
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Peace,<br />
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Mike Morin<br />
<a href="http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com">www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com</a> Amen, Friend David, and thank…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-31:2217368:Comment:8469162008-12-31T19:02:55.681ZMike Morinhttps://ipeace.us/profile/MikeMorin
Amen, Friend David, and thank you for making reference to my web log, and including me in your plans for further communication and action.<br />
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I whole-heartedly and mindfully accept the offer of association.<br />
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With regards to "Greening the Desert", I am all in favor of doing so where existing or potential existing settlments exist, given that there are adequate water resources to so...<br />
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Thanks for your good work.<br />
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With much love and care,<br />
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Mike Morin
Amen, Friend David, and thank you for making reference to my web log, and including me in your plans for further communication and action.<br />
<br />
I whole-heartedly and mindfully accept the offer of association.<br />
<br />
With regards to "Greening the Desert", I am all in favor of doing so where existing or potential existing settlments exist, given that there are adequate water resources to so...<br />
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Thanks for your good work.<br />
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With much love and care,<br />
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Mike Morin Michael Smith and Mike Morin,…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-31:2217368:Comment:8466952008-12-31T18:38:34.132ZDavid Bradenhttps://ipeace.us/profile/DavidBraden
Michael Smith and Mike Morin,<br />
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It appears we agree that the world we have is created by the choices each of us make. With that realization comes the obligation to find ways to make better choices. In the terms I am using, that means being conscious of the <a href="http://www.aboutus.org/3DN_bridges">bridges</a> we maintain - and looking to create new bridges with the people, plants and creatures left out the current system. Mike Morin also has ideas about how to do that in his…
Michael Smith and Mike Morin,<br />
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It appears we agree that the world we have is created by the choices each of us make. With that realization comes the obligation to find ways to make better choices. In the terms I am using, that means being conscious of the <a href="http://www.aboutus.org/3DN_bridges">bridges</a> we maintain - and looking to create new bridges with the people, plants and creatures left out the current system. Mike Morin also has ideas about how to do that in his <a href="http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com/">People's Equity Union</a> that I would like to explore fuarther.<br />
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To me, peace - or the lack of it - is related to poverty and environmental degradation. If we eliminate those two things, peace will follow. People will live in poverty until such time as we have systems of production in which everyone can participate. The environment will be at risk until such time as humans obtain what they need and desire from systems of production that work with nature's processes - enhancing biological diversity instead of diminishing it. See <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk">Greening the Desert</a>.<br />
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The next step then is finding a way for more and more people to realize their power to design and implement these new ways of producing what we need. There is a group working on "how we spread the word" at the <a href="http://gbasetup.ning.com/forum/topics/designing-the-platform">Global Brain Application Set Up</a> and I invite any one interested in how we go about creating the world we want to join us there. Derived from the teachings of…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-30:2217368:Comment:8372682008-12-30T22:27:13.095ZMike Morinhttps://ipeace.us/profile/MikeMorin
Derived from the teachings of George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends, I submit to you all the following:<br />
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"God" is love. "God" is the intention and actions to do good. Fox said that there is good and bad in everyone and it is incumbent upon us to cultivate the good within ourselves and help others to do the same.<br />
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The Buddhists' Four Noble Truths can be summed up as:<br />
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- all life is suffering<br />
- it is incumbent upon us all to do what we can to relieve that suffering.<br />
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The nine-fold path…
Derived from the teachings of George Fox, founder of the Society of Friends, I submit to you all the following:<br />
<br />
"God" is love. "God" is the intention and actions to do good. Fox said that there is good and bad in everyone and it is incumbent upon us to cultivate the good within ourselves and help others to do the same.<br />
<br />
The Buddhists' Four Noble Truths can be summed up as:<br />
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- all life is suffering<br />
- it is incumbent upon us all to do what we can to relieve that suffering.<br />
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The nine-fold path (I've added one) of Buddhism is:<br />
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-right intentions<br />
-right thought<br />
-right speech<br />
-right action<br />
-right livelihood<br />
-right effort<br />
-right mindfulness<br />
-right concentration.<br />
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When I write "right", I am using it in the connotation of correct.<br />
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In US politics some of us say, Left is right (correct) and Right is might (take it by economic dominance and agression and/or force).<br />
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I'm a Work kin for peace and cooperation.<br />
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With much love and care,<br />
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Mike Morin<br />
<a href="http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com">www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com</a> I do not know what any of us…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-30:2217368:Comment:8363732008-12-30T21:27:31.685ZDavid Bradenhttps://ipeace.us/profile/DavidBraden
I do not know what any of us as individuals can do to change the situation in Gaza today. I like Mike's thought . . . conceptualize the alternative and come up with strategies . . .<br />
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We must first see that no "group" (institution, nation, corporation, religion . . . ) exists except for the participation of individual human beings. We each choose those groups in which we participate - consciously or by default. Where each of us has influence is where our group interacts with other groups and…
I do not know what any of us as individuals can do to change the situation in Gaza today. I like Mike's thought . . . conceptualize the alternative and come up with strategies . . .<br />
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We must first see that no "group" (institution, nation, corporation, religion . . . ) exists except for the participation of individual human beings. We each choose those groups in which we participate - consciously or by default. Where each of us has influence is where our group interacts with other groups and where our group interacts with nature . . .<br />
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It is in the interest of all of us to realize the unused human and biological potential of the planet and to do that we can use our influence . . . to conceptualize alternatives and develop strategies . . . where we have influence . . . Yes, we agree almost totally.…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-30:2217368:Comment:8347972008-12-30T19:16:04.983ZMike Morinhttps://ipeace.us/profile/MikeMorin
Yes, we agree almost totally.<br />
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There is only point on your last post that I would try to clarify.<br />
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David Braden wrote:<br />
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I am suggesting that it is not about changing the way the existing system works - it is about implementing new systems to realize that unused human and biological potential.<br />
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Mike Morin responds:<br />
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It is about both. It is first important to conceptualize the alternative, but then we must also come up with strategies that meet the mission and goals that EVERYBUDDY wins.<br />
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With…
Yes, we agree almost totally.<br />
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There is only point on your last post that I would try to clarify.<br />
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David Braden wrote:<br />
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I am suggesting that it is not about changing the way the existing system works - it is about implementing new systems to realize that unused human and biological potential.<br />
<br />
Mike Morin responds:<br />
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It is about both. It is first important to conceptualize the alternative, but then we must also come up with strategies that meet the mission and goals that EVERYBUDDY wins.<br />
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With much love and care,<br />
<br />
Mike Morin<br />
<a href="http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com">www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com</a> I do not mean to mis quote yo…tag:ipeace.us,2008-12-30:2217368:Comment:8344362008-12-30T18:44:21.438ZDavid Bradenhttps://ipeace.us/profile/DavidBraden
I do not mean to mis quote you - I do want to challenge your conception about why basic necessities are "mal-distributed". It is not that someone else is intending to deprive others - we are all just doing the best we can defending our own bridges. The best we can do - looking out for the interests of our selves and our "group" - operating in the first and the second dimensions - leaves out certain people, plants and creatures.<br />
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Those left out have the potential to contribute value to the…
I do not mean to mis quote you - I do want to challenge your conception about why basic necessities are "mal-distributed". It is not that someone else is intending to deprive others - we are all just doing the best we can defending our own bridges. The best we can do - looking out for the interests of our selves and our "group" - operating in the first and the second dimensions - leaves out certain people, plants and creatures.<br />
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Those left out have the potential to contribute value to the system. In two dimensions we call this (unused human and biological potential) poverty and environmental degradation and treat it as a problem instead of as a resource. I am suggesting that it is not about changing the way the existing system works - it is about implementing new systems to realize that unused human and biological potential.