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That is true dear Iris.
His religion is the Islam but he took the violent side and he does not represent all the Islam but represent himself.
Dear Ali.
There are misconceptions about Islam.
That comes too, by translating the quoran, in another language.
You say: Allah is Master and Muslim are His slaves. Even the angels prostrate Him.
We, in the west, live in a world where many people only think of seks and seks is a used to take power over the other one and it has nothing to do with love.
We, in the west, used people as slaves for our colonies to work for us. The master was not kind to the slaves and he couls sell them to an other master.

Now is the time, 5th of december, that we celebrate Santa Claus.
He is a Saint, a white man, and his servants are black. Black Pieters.

So, white man began to think that they are the master and that the black people have to serve them.
But that is wrong thinking.
The Santa is a holy man.
The black Pieters were bad white man, and were made black by Him, and He teached them, and so they became His servants.

Santa Claus is in heaven where Allah is and He serves Allah.
We are all human beings, black, white, yellow, etc. But all eaqual to Allah, for he created them all.

All men are brothes and no one may go and sit on the place of Allah.

Just like in a family.
The parents get children. They love all their children. And they shall not allow that one child go to sit on their place.
They will not allow that one child will say to another child: "I understand my father the best, If you do not do what I say, I shall kill you, You must do just like me. "
The father know that all his chidren are different. One is a fighter and another is a dreamer and likes to meditate.
The fignter may go in the army and perhaps the dreamer begome a priest.
They both can give their contribution for a better world. All children can serve God but need different education.
And they all walk their way's in different directions.
What is the use to fight for: Who is the best? The fighter or the dreamer?
The fighter will win and the dreamer is gone.
Maybe Jesus was a dreamer and Mohammed a fighter. But Allah created them both.
Allah created seven coulors. why fight who is the best? Red or blue or yellow?
To make the one coulorless ray, He need them all.
So nations are different and religions are different.
If one is red, let them become the best red there is.
When one is blue, let them show to the world the nicesed blue there is. etc.
And when all that coulors are shining bright, they all together will formate the one coulorless bright shining ray of the Light.

Allah, or God, needs us all. All people, all nations, all religions.
For a religion is a way, is a coulor, that ends its way when it goes up in the one light.

There is no need for to fight which religion is the best and than the other religions must go away.
They are all contributions to the whole and they all serve the One and only God.

Muslim can better say that they all serve Allah instead off : We are His slaves.
And all the agels serve Allah too.

We understand that we have to serve our God.
Your Quoran is right, but if translate it in english, it is better to use the word SERVER in stead of Slaves.
Than there will be less misunderstanding.

With Love. I like your input here on this site. Allah is Great! Greetings: Thea

qual aan Allah, want hij geschapen ze allemaal.
Maybe there is more symbolism in Santa Claus.

The black serves the white.
God is Light and when there is Light, there always is a shadow.
The brighter the light, the darker the shadow.
Light and darkness always come together.
God and the devil always come together.
The devil is a servant of God.
If he was not there, we could only listen to God. We had no idia to do something else. It could not come up in our minds.
There was no choice.
Now God gives us a choice. He gave us a free will. We must have a choice.
That is why God created the duality.
Now in our minds, is a conflict . We have to choose.
We hear two voices. "Yes, do it" and "No, that is wrong to do".
If we choose for the voice of God, than He knows that we choosed for it, to do with our own free will and that we mean it.
So, the devil is a test for us.

He is not always there.
When we live in darkness and there is no light, we live in peace.

Than Jesus came with some Light.
So the darkness was seen too.
Choose for the light or stay in darkness. That was the conflict.
The peace of the people was over. And they blamed Him for that.
'Go away Light, we prefer to live in darkness. We want rest. Leave us allone.!'


The devil had done his work and Allah knew than, that the people had made their choice,

After 700 jears He send Mohammed to an other tribe. It was time that His Light decended on earth and the Jewish tribe failed. But they have had the opportunety and they can neven say that they should have chosen for Jesus, chosen for the light He came with, in name of God.

If someone refuses the task, God will choose another one. Now Allah tryed with Muhammed.

Jesus, with the light of God, as the Christ, can slaw the anti-christ.
The Light will conquer the darkness. The Light will win.
The shadow cannot win from the light.
But: No Light, no schadow. No God, no devil.No good, no evil.


You have said that Jesus had not died on the cross, but that another one died instead of Him.
But,
That is the story of Krishna.
His parents were put in jail by a bad uncle. The uncle ruled the country.
Each time, when His parents got a child, the uncle came to kill it.
Krishna was the 8 est child. and that child was changed with a girl.
His father brought him, under protection from God, to a family who had got a girl en the baby's were changed.
So the girl was killed in prison by the bad uncle.
But the uncle knew that the real child was a boy and that that boy was still alive.
So he went looking for Krisna and he killed all the babys in the hope to get Krishna.

When Jesus was born, there was a baby killing to. The story sais that He flew with his parents to Egypt.

Jesus escaped as a baby, mayby there was a swiching and an other one took His place.
But that is not in our story. But there is very little of Jesus youth ,in the gospels.

But the switshing was not when He was 33 jears and died on the cross.

The shroud of Turin will prove that. For all the torture that was describe the romans gave Him is found on the shroud. Even the nails through the wrists.
Painters always painted Jesus with the nails through the palms of His hands.
But until now we have to wait for the prove of the rightness of that shroud..

Whish you Light. Thea
Dear Thea,

I also agree with u here that all the prophets came with light. It is the mercy of the God, always when He see that the light start to decrease, He sends another prophet with the light to keep the balance in the earth; Noah came with light, Moses Came with light, Jesus came with light and Mohamed came with the last light.

No one of us saw the story of Jesus and if had been crucified or not but the Quran came to completely deny his crucifixion and death on the cross but proved his ascent by body and soul to the heaven to descend again in the last days of the world and govern with Quran.

(156) And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Isa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) A.S.]: (157) But Allâh raised him ['Isa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he A.S. is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (158)

(54) And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Isa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Isa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allâh) superior to those who disbelieve till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute." (55) "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." (56) And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh) and do righteous good deeds, Allâh will pay them their reward in full. And Allâh does not like the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers). (57)

Prophet Mohamed said about Jesus on his tongue not in the Quran

Abu Hurairah reported Allah's Messenger (PBUH) as saying, "I am the nearest of kin to Jesus, son of Mary, in this world and the next. The prophets are brothers, sons of one father by co-wives. Their mothers are different but their religion is one. There has been no prophet between us". (Bukhari and Muslim).

Abu Hurairah reported Allah's Messenger (PBUH) as saying," By Him in whose hand my soul is, the son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish the jizya (a tax payable by a community which accepts the protection of a Muslim ruler but whose members do not embrace Islam), and wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it, and one sajda (the position in Muslim’s prayer where the forehead is placed on the ground), will be better than the world and what it contains". (Bukahri and Muslim).

Narrated 'Ubada: The Prophet said, "If anyone testifies that None has the right to be worshiped but Allah Alone Who has no partners, and that Muhammad is His Slave and His Apostle, and that Jesus is Allah's Slave and His Apostle and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is true, and Hell is true, Allah will admit him into Paradise with the deeds which he had done even if those deeds were few." (Junada, the sub-narrator said, " 'Ubada added, 'Such a person can enter Paradise through any of its eight gates he likes.")
Dear Ali,
Thank you for your answers.

I believe that we are able to come together if we do not identify Jesus with His body.
We are not our physical body. That is not who we are.
We are spiritual beings that uses a body to be able to manifest in this material world.
We put it on, like a peace of cloth and when we die, we put it off.

Jesus body could not function anymore. Too much damagded.
That what died , was not Jesus. Jesus was alive, His soul and spirit were alive but that part of Him cannot be seen with our eyes.

In Egypt there is a pyramide with no top. That is not a missing part.
That unseen part is what a human being really is. What we really are, cannot be seen. We can only see the physical outside of a man. And we must not identfy with that.
The old Egyptians knew that.

This was the sin of the disciples.
"They grieved so much for the lost of Jesus, went up in their own grieve, that they forgot to try to bring Him back to life.
That would not have worked, and Jesus did not want to, because he was in His angelic body and could appear and disappear like the angels, if He wanted to.
But when the disciples had tryed to keep in contact with His soul, they would have had the experience, that Jesus himself was still alive.
Than the Roman Katholic church had had a living God instead of a dead one."

The one who said that, Master DK, will not be believed because he is an authorety.
It is given, not as a believe, but as a hypothese to work with.
It has to speak for it self.
For the Truth is, as a big light. Lies are dark .
You have to know for yourself if it is true or not.

The molecules of Jesus body were given back to the earth, for they are from the earth.
Jesus himself, went to a place of light, that is not from this earth. He did not need a physical body anymore. He was able to make one himself, if He would show himself on earth to the people if He wanted to.
The same way angels do when they appear as a human being.

So, Jesus did not die on the cross. Only His physical body, and that was so damadged that it could not function anymore.

You think that the body of Jesus is in heaven too.?
But, they say that, what is from the earth, stayes on earth, And you cannot take it with you, to the kingdom of heaven. The Kingdom of Light.


I understand now,
We are only slaves of God.
And we never may go and sit on Gods place, and say :'my slave' ,to an other person."

I Quote You:
"to be slave to the God is to serve Him, love Him, obey Him, worship Him and do what He order whatever this order is."
That is right.

Nice talking to you. That all men be as one. Thea
Welcome dear sister Thea
Thank u very much Thea Berkhout,

I always feel Joy when I see your reply because I see u a philosopher.
I completely agree with u that all of us are equal in front of the God and the God does not discriminate between white, yellow, brown and black. God is looking for our hearts and our work and our obeying to His messages.

I know that all the westerners specially the blacks are very sensitive to the word "slave" but we the Muslims feel proud to be slaves to the God because we understand that to be slave to the God is to serve Him, love Him, obey Him, worship Him and do what He order whatever this order. Prophet Mohamed said " I am His slave and His messenger ". Prophet Mohamed forbidden us to say to your servant " my slave" but to say to him "My young man" (fataya)

Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: None of you must say: "My slave" (abdi) and "My slave-woman" (amati), and a slave must not say: "My lord" (rabbi or rabbati). The master (of a slave) should say: "My young man" (fataya) and "My young woman" (fatati), and a slave should say "My master" (sayyidi) and "My mistress" (sayyidati), for you are all (Allah's slave and the Lord is Allah, Most High. (Book #41, Hadith #4957)

Jesus, Mohamed, and all the prophets are equal to us and we love all of them and can not and never discriminate between any one of them. All the religions that came from the God to the human kind are one religion and one message.

(6) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "My similitude in comparison with the other prophets before me, is that of a man who has built a house nicely and beautifully, except for a place of one brick in a corner. The people go about it and wonder at its beauty, but say: 'Would that this brick be put in its place!' So I am that brick, and I am the last of the Prophets." (Book #56, Hadith #735)

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