Middle East fireside Discussions - iPeace.us2024-03-29T14:50:33Zhttps://ipeace.us/group/middleeastfireside/forum?feed=yes&xn_auth=noEntretien avec Issam Makhoul / Interview with Issam Makhoul - Les apories de la citoyenneté israélienne / The Aporias of Israeli Citizenshiptag:ipeace.us,2008-11-21:2217368:Topic:5203062008-11-21T19:18:43.142ZVincent Mespoulethttps://ipeace.us/profile/VincentMespoulet
This video is in french and in hebrew...<br />
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This video is in french and in hebrew...<br />
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This video is both in french and hebrew<br />
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Keren Manor est photographe et cofondatrice du Collectif "Clichés Actifs". Elle appartient aussi au Groupe "Anarchistes contre le Mur"<br />
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Keren Manor is a photographer and one of the founder of the Collective "ActiveStills". She also belongs to the Group "Anarchists against…
This video is both in french and hebrew<br />
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Keren Manor est photographe et cofondatrice du Collectif "Clichés Actifs". Elle appartient aussi au Groupe "Anarchistes contre le Mur"<br />
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Keren Manor is a photographer and one of the founder of the Collective "ActiveStills". She also belongs to the Group "Anarchists against the Walls"<br />
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<a href="http://www.activestills.org/">http://www.activestills.org/</a> Dear alltag:ipeace.us,2008-11-14:2217368:Topic:4659322008-11-14T13:17:05.801Zraneenhttps://ipeace.us/profile/zochrot
My name is Raneen, am a Palestinian women, lives in Haifa and work at Zochrot organization as a coordinator of the oral history project in which I collect testimonies from Nakba survivors.<br />
I was supposed to be at this forum from the beginning but I went to Madrid for a Palestinian youth network conference and came few days ago.<br />
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The aim of this network is to meet yearly between 100-150 Palestinians youth all over the word (camps. Arab world, Europe and other places) in order to connect between…
My name is Raneen, am a Palestinian women, lives in Haifa and work at Zochrot organization as a coordinator of the oral history project in which I collect testimonies from Nakba survivors.<br />
I was supposed to be at this forum from the beginning but I went to Madrid for a Palestinian youth network conference and came few days ago.<br />
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The aim of this network is to meet yearly between 100-150 Palestinians youth all over the word (camps. Arab world, Europe and other places) in order to connect between us, to exchange experiences and thoughts and to experience a common dream in being together.<br />
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I think that this discussion about the Nakba and the refugees is very important to both side Jewish and Palestinians, and if we continue to close our eyes and avoid this topic as what the police makers is doing now, it will never be peace in the middle east and people from both side will continue to be killed.<br />
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I think, To talk deeply about this issues we need more information about the Nakba, specially for the Israelis who never learn about it at their schools.<br />
if we go deeply on this we can understand what is happening today, 60 year after, in Aka (Acr), Jaffa, al-Lyd, what happened in the first and the second Intifada, and why 13 Arab Israeli citizens have been killed during the demonstrations. Why Israel still occupied the west bank and Gaza, why there is so may discrimination laws in this State and why some Knesset members still taking about transferring the Palestinians in Israel to Jordan. Why Palestinians bomb themselves in Israeli buses and send rockets to the South…. Why… why… why…..<br />
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Its easy to fined through internet an information about the Nakba, for instance: Badil center: <a href="http://www.badil.org/Refugees/facts&figures.htm">http://www.badil.org/Refugees/facts&figures.htm</a> and also I insert one film about women stories of the Nakba.<br />
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Additionally, nowadays, many people are thinking about 1 state resolution rather than 2 state resolution, lets try to discuses these 2 resolution and go deeply on the advantages and disadvantages of each one.<br />
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Raneen Second topic - Different perspective about the the Nakba and right of returntag:ipeace.us,2008-11-06:2217368:Topic:4047072008-11-06T13:20:29.611ZRoni Segolyhttps://ipeace.us/profile/RoniSegoly
Dear all,<br />
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We are opening the the second topic, and I would like to start by telling my own story.<br />
My parents fled to Israel right after WWII, and were inhabited by the newly established government in Jerusalem, in a neighborhood called Baka (Arab name used till today), I grew up in a house I knew belonged to Arab who left/fled during the war of 1948, but as a child I did not pay attention to it.<br />
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Right after 67 war, the original residents of the house came to see the place (all I remember is…
Dear all,<br />
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We are opening the the second topic, and I would like to start by telling my own story.<br />
My parents fled to Israel right after WWII, and were inhabited by the newly established government in Jerusalem, in a neighborhood called Baka (Arab name used till today), I grew up in a house I knew belonged to Arab who left/fled during the war of 1948, but as a child I did not pay attention to it.<br />
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Right after 67 war, the original residents of the house came to see the place (all I remember is that they lived in the old city and had a coffee shop there), the meeting was strange, both sides were not sure how to behave, they went in, had a look and left, probably very sad about what they have lost, but again we did not pay a lot of attention, the issue of Nakba was strange to us, as all Israelis we grew up on the myth that most of the Palestinian fled, because they were promised by their own leaders to be able to come back later, after the promised victory, and of course the other part of the myth was that the Arabs have 22 countries, so it is up to those countries to 'absorb' the poor refugees, as my parents were 'absorbed' by the Israeli state, when they escaped Europe.<br />
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Few years ago I went with mother to Romania to visit the village were she was born, we of course had no intention to go back and live there, and reclaim the house that was left behind, but when we talked to the current residents, we felt that they are suspicious about our intention, and I suddenly realized that now I am on the other side, and that is how the people who lived in my house felt when they visited us.<br />
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Since then I my understanding matured, I want to learn more, and I acknowledge the narrative of the other people with which we fight and negotiate, and that is the Nakba, and it is clear to me that there will be no peace unless this issue is discussed and resolved somehow, I do not think the solution is letting everyone come back, but I am sure the solution is not ignoring it, and leaving it as 'their problem' as it is clearly not, it is ours.<br />
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We as Jews have our own narrative, and that is based on the holocaust, Palestinians need to understand it, so they will know why the Jews insist on having their own state, as a shelter to all Jews, I am truly very sad it came on expense of another people, but history cannot be changed, we should care about the future, not all Israelis share this way of thinking, I think most of them prefer ignoring the topic.<br />
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I'd like to suggest we dicuss this issue, I suggest we ignore the basic question whose blame it is, it is from my point of view an irrelevant question, the issues I'd like to suggest we dicuss are quite different.<br />
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Recently I made the connection with organization called Zochrot, I went with them to a tour in one of the destroyed villages near Jerusalem (Ajjur), I saw the reaction of the police and other authorities when they waited for us there, I heard what my friends tell me about making an issue of event in history, which is not our issue, and better be left alone, but yet I think it is important to discuss.<br />
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Ranin Geries (Palestinian from Haifa) from Zochrot, volunteered to lead this discussion, she will join this group next week, she will also be able to support Palestinian participants, as she does speak the three languages, and I am sure it will be interesting discussion, but I am also certain it is important one.<br />
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The questions Ranin and myself thought will be good to start with are<br />
1. Why is it important to discuss the Nakba, is it not just history? Is it related to our future and how?<br />
2. What is the connection between the Nakba and what is happening today between Arab and Jews?<br />
3. Will the resolution of the Nakba problem also support the resolution of the conflict between Arab and Jews?<br />
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I hope you join and I hope we have good debate<br />
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Zochrot site<br />
<a href="http://www.nakbainhebrew.org/index.php?lang=english">http://www.nakbainhebrew.org/index.php?lang=english</a> The issue of refugees, let's be friends againtag:ipeace.us,2008-11-05:2217368:Topic:3994002008-11-05T14:20:18.015ZRoni Segolyhttps://ipeace.us/profile/RoniSegoly
We would like to kickoff another activity related to the issue of refugees and right of return.<br />
Since we have on the forum and on this group Israelis and Palestinians, we though of starting to build relations between Palestinians that their families lived before, in villages that do not exist any more within the boarder of 1948, and Israelis who live now in this place or near by.<br />
Once we started making such connections and mapping the villages and people, then we can think together what do we…
We would like to kickoff another activity related to the issue of refugees and right of return.<br />
Since we have on the forum and on this group Israelis and Palestinians, we though of starting to build relations between Palestinians that their families lived before, in villages that do not exist any more within the boarder of 1948, and Israelis who live now in this place or near by.<br />
Once we started making such connections and mapping the villages and people, then we can think together what do we do with it, and there are several ideas, but I think it is better to be left open for everyone to express their view.<br />
We would like to hear people view about this activity and let's decide together how to progress. First topic - one state Vs two states solutiontag:ipeace.us,2008-10-05:2217368:Topic:1386542008-10-05T04:06:46.925ZRoni Segolyhttps://ipeace.us/profile/RoniSegoly
Short introduction to the topic by <a href="http://ipeace.ning.com/profile/MazinQumsiyeh">Mazin</a>:<br />
All observers know that there has been significant changes in the political, cultural and economic landscape that are forcing a reexamination of assumptions about peaceful outcomes. For example, there are now 500,000 Israeli Jewish settlers in the areas Israel occupied in 1967. Those areas represent about 20% of historic Palestine and these are the same areas envisioned to be the future…
Short introduction to the topic by <a href="http://ipeace.ning.com/profile/MazinQumsiyeh">Mazin</a>:<br />
All observers know that there has been significant changes in the political, cultural and economic landscape that are forcing a reexamination of assumptions about peaceful outcomes. For example, there are now 500,000 Israeli Jewish settlers in the areas Israel occupied in 1967. Those areas represent about 20% of historic Palestine and these are the same areas envisioned to be the future Palestinian state. There is thus a revival of the consideration of a one state outcome (whether a binational state, a confederation, or a secular democratic state for all its people). The forum is interested in a respectful discussion of the merits of these outcomes (some may call solutions but others disagree with the terminology which implies that there visions are mere solutions to manufactured problems). We urge you to focus discussion on just and peaceful outcomes and we will remove postings which suggest perpetual conflicts as inevitable or that denigrade religions or ethnicities. In your comments please focus on the issues (which are political) and not the persons and try to understand different perspectives. You may start by referring to these questions or as you like, please be aware to group guidelines and help us maintain productive and dignified discussion.<br />
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Why do you think people can or can't exist in a unitary state of all people regardless of their religion? What do you think is the biggest obstacle to getting people to recognize the inherent dignity and equality of all other people? About this grouptag:ipeace.us,2008-10-03:2217368:Topic:1327572008-10-03T09:04:21.342ZRoni Segolyhttps://ipeace.us/profile/RoniSegoly
Please use this discussion to suggest or comment about the operation of this group
Please use this discussion to suggest or comment about the operation of this group Suggest new topicstag:ipeace.us,2008-10-03:2217368:Topic:1327552008-10-03T09:03:23.772ZRoni Segolyhttps://ipeace.us/profile/RoniSegoly
Please use this discussion to suggest new topics for the group, we will appreciate if you also suggest someone who is capable and is willing to lead the discussion
Please use this discussion to suggest new topics for the group, we will appreciate if you also suggest someone who is capable and is willing to lead the discussion