Please take a look at this discusion and let me know what you think,thank you!
Below is a conversation that I have been having with a gentleman on myspace about Israel and the Palestinians conflict!He is so much into supporting the Israeli's that he condones the killing of childtren(said it to me in an earlier corospondence)!If you start from the bottom and work your way up,that is the starting of the whole conversations.
As for my questions about the weapons getting into Gaza,he never responded,only keeps talking about Israel andthe Bible!The first paragraph is the last response that I sent him and he hasn't sent a reply yet and I don't think he will.
When some one who proclaims to be Christian say things like "good morning ! when i read your e-mail i wonder why you even open your mouth !"makes me wonder how much Christian they really are!
Gordon
FROM MYSPACE BULLETINS:
Maybe it's time for the Holy Rollers to shut their mouths and start taking a better look at how things are!Instead of asking to pray,DO SOMETHING!!!Through out the history of the Bible,it has been places like Israel that have given the Bible a bad name!In the Bible it say "THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!"
What!!???It's ok for them to KILL the Palestinians and their children and allow ethnic cleansing!!???Isn't this what happened to the Jews in WW2!?
SINCE WHEN DID GOD OR JESUS SAY THAT IT WAS OK TO DO SUCH A THING!!???I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT IN THE BIBLE,the closest it came was an eye for and eye!We keep this up and man will be blind both literally and figurtively!
This is the whole reason I chose not to go to a church to pray,instead I chose my Native cultures and traditions,I CAN HAVE BOTH,no one says I can't!What is there some unwriten rule stating that it is against the law to have both Native beliefs and Christian!!??I only have the Christian because my father was a priest for the Russian Orthodox,which is very close to Catholic beliefs as well!
I GREW UP KNOWING THE CHURCHES OF MANY FAITHS!SO HOW CAN I NOT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!??
This is not my beliefs and I share some of what the Bible says. SO!WHEN I OPEN MY MOUTH!!! I chose not to attack,but to give people a better understanding of the two worlds!ONE of which was destroyed by CHRISTIANITY!!
My people never went to England or any other country and proclaimed it in the name of Creator,nor did we proclaim it in the name of a chief!
I chose not to continue the hate and if we continue to support either side more then the other,then we have chosen to allow it to continue!
I HAVE NEVER CHOSEN SIDES,only the childrens side,they are the ones who lose out all the time!IF YOUR CHILD WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE HATE OVER THERE,WHAT WOULD YOU DO!??
If it were me,I would take my child as well as others to my enemy and show them what we are all doing to the children and the future of MAN(KIND?)!
good morning ! when i read your e-mail i wonder why you even open your mouth ! Jesus already knew he was going to be betrayed and for that fact the Jews were the reason our Father sent Him in the first place. you believe the bible or you don't, you can't have it both ways. you must remember that what happens to Israel and her people will some day happen to those christian who are willing to stand up for what is right, instead of following the crowd. you act like this is a new conflict when in fact it goes back before King David. yasser arafat outlined this battle over thirty years ago saying, "the way to defeat Israel is from the inside". when Israel granted the palestinians a place in Israel, arafats war started ! you need to study your bible better and understand how God feels, instead of how you feel ! peace : )
2 Samuel 7:22-24
22 "How great you are, O Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears. 23 And who is like your people Israel—the one nation on earth that God went out to redeem as a people for himself, and to make a name for himself, and to perform great and awesome wonders by driving out nations and their gods from before your people, whom you redeemed from Egypt? 24 You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, O LORD, have become their God.
God bless you my friend ! peace : ) frank
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: KOOSHDAKAA(Tlingit boogyman)
Date: Feb 2, 2009 7:00 AM
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS COUNTRY ISN'T SUPPLYING ARMS TO BOTH SIDES LIKE WHEN IRAN AND IRAQ WERE FIGHTING EACH OTHERS,THIS IS WHAT LEAD UP TO THE IRAN CONTRA HEARINGS AND THEN SOMEONE HAD TO TAKE THE FALL!WE HAD BOTH COUNTRIES ON OUR SIDE AT ONETIME!AND THEN WE GOT CAUGHT FUELING THE WAR BY SUPPLYING BOTH SIDES WITH WEAPONS!
I do not like what both sides do in this whole mess,I won't support Israel nor Palestine,I will support the children always,if you read any of my posts,you should read the latest one I just posted on predjudism,I refuse to allow any of my children to continue passing it on to their children,and that is why I do not support any wars or either side of the war!To pick one side for political or religious reasons is predjudice as well!No race is superior to another and that is they way many Israeli's look at themselves,they are a people who are proud of KILLING Jesus Christ!What Christian in his right mind would or should condone this action!?NO Christian should ever condone this or the killing of children,if they are truly Christians!
Gordon
----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Franklin
Date: Feb 2, 2009 9:44 AM
pray for Israel !
TEHRAN, Iran – Hamas' exiled leader thanked his Iranian backers, saying Tehran played a "big role" in helping the Palestinian militant group during Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip, Iranian state television reported Monday.
Khaled Mashaal's visit to Iran — Hamas' top supporter — was his first since Israel launched the offensive in late December.
The "people of Gaza ... have always appreciated the political and spiritual support of the Iranian leaders and nation," state TV quoted Mashaal as saying.
Israel and the United States accuse Iran of supplying Hamas with weapons including rockets that have battered parts of southern Israel. Tehran denies the charge, saying it supports Hamas financially.
"Iran has definitely played a big role in the victory of the people of Gaza and is a partner in that victory," Mashaal, who lives in Syria, told Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during a meeting, according to state TV.
Israel says it launched 3-week-long offensive in Gaza on Dec. 27 to stop the Hamas from firing rockets into Israel. The fighting left nearly 1,300 Palestinians dead, Gaza officials say, along with 13 Israelis.
A fragile cease-fire between Israel and Hamas went into effect about two weeks ago but has been tested by sporadic Palestinian shelling attacks and Israeli airstrikes.
Ahmadinejad warned that Israel could be plotting another invasion on Gaza and urged countries to boycott Israeli goods. The hard-line Iranian leader also reiterated his earlier calls that Israeli leaders be taken to court for the Gaza offensive, although it wasn't clear what court he had in mind and no other details were provided. "World political pressure should continue against the Zionist regime," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.
Later Monday, Mashaal received a warm welcome by hundreds of Iranians at a ceremony at Tehran University. The crowd praised Mashaal by chanting "hail to the soldier of holy war.
"
Psalm 3
1 O LORD, how many are my foes!
How many rise up against me!
2 Many are saying of me,
"God will not deliver him.
"
3 But you are a shield around me, O LORD;
you bestow glory on me and lift up my head.
God bless God children ! peace : ) frank
As for my questions about the weapons getting into Gaza,he never responded,only keeps talking about Israel andthe Bible!The first paragraph is the last response that I sent him and he hasn't sent a reply yet and I don't think he will.
When some one who proclaims to be Christian say things like "good morning ! when i read your e-mail i wonder why you even open your mouth !"makes me wonder how much Christian they really are!
Gordon
FROM MYSPACE BULLETINS:
Maybe it's time for the Holy Rollers to shut their mouths and start taking a better look at how things are!Instead of asking to pray,DO SOMETHING!!!Through out the history of the Bible,it has been places like Israel that have given the Bible a bad name!In the Bible it say "THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!"
What!!???It's ok for them to KILL the Palestinians and their children and allow ethnic cleansing!!???Isn't this what happened to the Jews in WW2!?
SINCE WHEN DID GOD OR JESUS SAY THAT IT WAS OK TO DO SUCH A THING!!???I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT IN THE BIBLE,the closest it came was an eye for and eye!We keep this up and man will be blind both literally and figurtively!
This is the whole reason I chose not to go to a church to pray,instead I chose my Native cultures and traditions,I CAN HAVE BOTH,no one says I can't!What is there some unwriten rule stating that it is against the law to have both Native beliefs and Christian!!??I only have the Christian because my father was a priest for the Russian Orthodox,which is very close to Catholic beliefs as well!
I GREW UP KNOWING THE CHURCHES OF MANY FAITHS!SO HOW CAN I NOT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!??
This is not my beliefs and I share some of what the Bible says. SO!WHEN I OPEN MY MOUTH!!! I chose not to attack,but to give people a better understanding of the two worlds!ONE of which was destroyed by CHRISTIANITY!!
My people never went to England or any other country and proclaimed it in the name of Creator,nor did we proclaim it in the name of a chief!
I chose not to continue the hate and if we continue to support either side more then the other,then we have chosen to allow it to continue!
I HAVE NEVER CHOSEN SIDES,only the childrens side,they are the ones who lose out all the time!IF YOUR CHILD WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE HATE OVER THERE,WHAT WOULD YOU DO!??
If it were me,I would take my child as well as others to my enemy and show them what we are all doing to the children and the future of MAN(KIND?)!
good morning ! when i read your e-mail i wonder why you even open your mouth ! Jesus already knew he was going to be betrayed and for that fact the Jews were the reason our Father sent Him in the first place. you believe the bible or you don't, you can't have it both ways. you must remember that what happens to Israel and her people will some day happen to those christian who are willing to stand up for what is right, instead of following the crowd. you act like this is a new conflict when in fact it goes back before King David. yasser arafat outlined this battle over thirty years ago saying, "the way to defeat Israel is from the inside". when Israel granted the palestinians a place in Israel, arafats war started ! you need to study your bible better and understand how God feels, instead of how you feel ! peace : )
2 Samuel 7:22-24
22 "How great you are, O Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears. 23 And who is like your people Israel—the one nation on earth that God went out to redeem as a people for himself, and to make a name for himself, and to perform great and awesome wonders by driving out nations and their gods from before your people, whom you redeemed from Egypt? 24 You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, O LORD, have become their God.
God bless you my friend ! peace : ) frank
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: KOOSHDAKAA(Tlingit boogyman)
Date: Feb 2, 2009 7:00 AM
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS COUNTRY ISN'T SUPPLYING ARMS TO BOTH SIDES LIKE WHEN IRAN AND IRAQ WERE FIGHTING EACH OTHERS,THIS IS WHAT LEAD UP TO THE IRAN CONTRA HEARINGS AND THEN SOMEONE HAD TO TAKE THE FALL!WE HAD BOTH COUNTRIES ON OUR SIDE AT ONETIME!AND THEN WE GOT CAUGHT FUELING THE WAR BY SUPPLYING BOTH SIDES WITH WEAPONS!
I do not like what both sides do in this whole mess,I won't support Israel nor Palestine,I will support the children always,if you read any of my posts,you should read the latest one I just posted on predjudism,I refuse to allow any of my children to continue passing it on to their children,and that is why I do not support any wars or either side of the war!To pick one side for political or religious reasons is predjudice as well!No race is superior to another and that is they way many Israeli's look at themselves,they are a people who are proud of KILLING Jesus Christ!What Christian in his right mind would or should condone this action!?NO Christian should ever condone this or the killing of children,if they are truly Christians!
Gordon
----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Franklin
Date: Feb 2, 2009 9:44 AM
pray for Israel !
TEHRAN, Iran – Hamas' exiled leader thanked his Iranian backers, saying Tehran played a "big role" in helping the Palestinian militant group during Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip, Iranian state television reported Monday.
Khaled Mashaal's visit to Iran — Hamas' top supporter — was his first since Israel launched the offensive in late December.
The "people of Gaza ... have always appreciated the political and spiritual support of the Iranian leaders and nation," state TV quoted Mashaal as saying.
Israel and the United States accuse Iran of supplying Hamas with weapons including rockets that have battered parts of southern Israel. Tehran denies the charge, saying it supports Hamas financially.
"Iran has definitely played a big role in the victory of the people of Gaza and is a partner in that victory," Mashaal, who lives in Syria, told Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during a meeting, according to state TV.
Israel says it launched 3-week-long offensive in Gaza on Dec. 27 to stop the Hamas from firing rockets into Israel. The fighting left nearly 1,300 Palestinians dead, Gaza officials say, along with 13 Israelis.
A fragile cease-fire between Israel and Hamas went into effect about two weeks ago but has been tested by sporadic Palestinian shelling attacks and Israeli airstrikes.
Ahmadinejad warned that Israel could be plotting another invasion on Gaza and urged countries to boycott Israeli goods. The hard-line Iranian leader also reiterated his earlier calls that Israeli leaders be taken to court for the Gaza offensive, although it wasn't clear what court he had in mind and no other details were provided. "World political pressure should continue against the Zionist regime," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.
Later Monday, Mashaal received a warm welcome by hundreds of Iranians at a ceremony at Tehran University. The crowd praised Mashaal by chanting "hail to the soldier of holy war.
"
Psalm 3
1 O LORD, how many are my foes!
How many rise up against me!
2 Many are saying of me,
"God will not deliver him.
"
3 But you are a shield around me, O LORD;
you bestow glory on me and lift up my head.
God bless God children ! peace : ) frank
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