Loving the dreamer and not the dream

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Permalink Reply by Al on December 2, 2008 at 11:01pm

Very true my friend - When we think we are thinking, when we think we are comparing facts to make the best decision, we are merely comparing accepted beliefs with new ideas. It the content of our beliefs has conflicting beliefs, the new idea is rejected. With a belief bank that is mostly negatives - limiting beliefs - nearly all positive beliefs, are rejected. Thus we continue to suffer from our dominant limiting beliefs. Thus “we are our own worst enemy.” Thus we punish ourselves. Until we wake up and become conscious of what is happening and accept our gift of choice.

Change is not always easy, especially to change our mind about something so firmly accepted. Years of personal practice and years of watching others and attempting to conform to their beliefs makes this mental change difficult. I find some help in the idea that “Other peoples opinions are none of my business.” That thought was a gift from someone to me. To expand on that notion – If we focus too much on, and give too much weight to, what others think of us, we tend to conform to their beliefs so as to not offend them by being different. That is my experience anyway. This behavior allows the thoughts of others to control our thoughts to whatever degree we allow.

Of course we should all love and respect each other, but not necessarily to the point that our mind is a carbon copy of another’s mind, or a product only of the collective beliefs of the society we are living in.

Brother/Reverend A.A.Grimsley
http://www.freewebs.com/thelaws

Permalink Reply by Giblatsai (Peter) on December 2, 2008 at 11:38pm

Brother, you have spoken well, and let us know you too have had to think about what you are thinking about, which is often just our own habitual mental static, apparently set up to keep us out of the peace we all are actually seeking....the paradox of having to let go of what I feel most passionate about in order for my desire to be realized, is a difficult one for all of us...but truly, I can't, He can, so I'll let Him...is usually the best m.o.

Permalink Reply by Al on December 3, 2008 at 12:50am

Let us all go toward Him and accept.

Permalink Reply by Jeaneen Andretta on December 3, 2008 at 1:59pm

Wow! is that the truth. Love and Blessings, Jeaneen

Permalink Reply by Laura Hawkins on December 3, 2008 at 4:22pm

You are not alone in your struggle to see your brother as wholy innocent and thus yourself as that way. I am there with you. Forgiveness is getting easier and easier for me...and asking Holy Spirit how I should look upon something is getting easier and easier. But seeing my brother as myself is not nearly where I would like it to be. But I figure if I have made some progress in the area of forgiving and asking Holy Spirit for guidance, that there will come a time when seeing my brother as myself will happen also. Please be easy on yourself. It will come...it will come.

Love, Laura The Toddler Student

Permalink Reply by Jeaneen Andretta on December 3, 2008 at 5:41pm

When i find myself seeing someone as a body, i remind myself it does not matter since the body is an illusion any, but what is within is the reality, it does seem to help get m back on track with my thinking. Love and Blessings, Jeaneen

Permalink Reply by Andy LeCompte on December 4, 2008 at 3:50pm

News on the illusion of the body

Swedish researchers create body-swap illusion
Wed Dec 3, 11:04 am ET Yahoo News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Researchers using closed-circuit televisions to create an illusion have made volunteers virtually swap bodies, even making women believe they were in a man's body and vice-versa.

The experiment, reported in the Public Library of Science journal PLoS ONE on Tuesday, shows it is possible to manipulate the human mind to create the perception of having another body, the Swedish researchers said.

It helps explain how humans understand the limits of their own bodies, Valeria Petkova and Henrik Ehrsson of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm reported.

They set up a series of experiments aimed at fooling their volunteers, each an extension of a common illusion in which people can be fooled into thinking a rubber hand is their own.

For the illusion, the volunteer's real hand is concealed and stroked at the same time the visible rubber hand is. The brain will often trick the volunteer into truly feeling as if the rubber hand is his or her own hand.

Petkova and Ehrsson went further, using a closed-circuit camera to fool their volunteers into believing a rubber mannequin was in fact their own body -- and eventually, that another human being was.

"This effect is so robust that, while experiencing being in another person's body, a participant can face his or her biological body and shake hands with it without breaking the illusion," they wrote.

They started with a life-sized mannequin.

"Two closed-circuit television cameras were positioned on a male mannequin such that each recorded events from the position corresponding to one of the mannequin's eyes," they wrote.

"A set of head-mounted displays connected to the cameras was worn by the participants, and connected in such a way that the images from the left and right video cameras were presented on the left and right eye displays, respectively, providing a true stereoscopic image," they added.

"Participants were asked to tilt their heads downwards as if looking down at their bodies. Thus, the participants saw the mannequin's body where they expected to see their own."

As in the rubber hand illusion, the experimenters touched the volunteers' bodies at the same time as they touched the mannequin.

"...it was evident that the participants had felt the mannequin's body to be their own body," they wrote.

Finally, they tried a full body swap between two volunteers and it worked.

The illusion only goes so far. The researchers said they could not fool their volunteers into thinking they were a box, for example.

(Reporting by Maggie Fox; Editing by Julie Steenhuysen)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081203/od_nm/us_body_swap_3

Permalink Reply by Giblatsai (Peter) on December 4, 2008 at 4:04pm

wow Andy, thank you for this, it is truly a statement of fact!!

"My body is a wholly neutral thing....Let me not see it more than this today; of service for a while and fit to serve, to keep its usefulness while it can serve, and then to be replaced for greater good."

Lesson 294 ACIM

All things are lessons God would have me learn...and it appears we are being given more chances to learn this, now from Sweden, this late breaking story....'Your body is not really You!!"

Love you Andy

Permalink Reply by Jeaneen Andretta on December 4, 2008 at 4:56pm

The best information I ever read was in the Course " God did not create the World. The world is an illusion, it does not exist. I mean for years i thought how could God create such a terrible world, with all the horrible things that go on, it was received with such joy! Not only are our bodies an illusion, but so is the world.I don't know about you, but I want to go home to the real world!! Love and Blessings, Jeaneen

Permalink Reply by Giblatsai (Peter) on December 4, 2008 at 5:50pm

Heaven and earth shall pass away...means 'they shall cease to exist as separate states'...that as our perceptions are purified by the Holy Spirit, and only our loving thoughts are preserved, we will literally have a Heaven on earth scenario, at which time, time will end completely and the illusion will fade to welcome Reality, whole and perfect...but until all of us turn in this direction as our goal, the road seems to be long and the goal far in the future...but as this site demonstrates, it can all happen very quickly, as it states in the very beginning of the text ' if a sufficient number become truly miracle-minded, this shortening process can be virtually immeasurable...' (T34)...

Yes We Can!!

Permalink Reply by Fred on December 4, 2008 at 7:07pm

We're already home. We never left. We just fell asleep and now we're gently waking up to Heaven.

Love!

Permalink Reply by Al on December 6, 2008 at 6:24am

Thanks for sharing this - very enlightening. I can see this going a long way... If they can get the mind to believe a mannequin is them, then with several systematic applications of this, the mind should begin to transform it's body into what it is perceiving... Could be a great weight loss treatment possibly. Am I loosing everyone here? What our mind pictures and believes, it goes about manifesting.

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