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I always laugh when I hear of a woman saying that she has too much to say!
You know that women speak, I think, about 20,000 and men about 7,000? (forget the numbers, sorry, but you get the idea...!!). Nothing like it meaning women comunicate more than men!
That is another subject though...
anyhow, blogging is really neat. At least the person writing the blog gets it all out, as they say in America, but I am in Italy.....so we say "uno si sfoga"...
Must move on now....loved Australia, it really is a paradise. Have a good day and night.
Stephanie
Yes, of course talk alone is not enough - and yet, here we are, you and I, talking, presumably because we think this sort of dialog may help us to advance our work.
I am not "blaming" the problem on the hatred and violence; I am saying, rather, that the hatred and violence (and the fear and rage and unacknowledged shame and all the other forms of mutual alienation) are the problem - just as they are in a dysfunctional families, like the one I grew up in. No diplomatic agreement that fails to address those features can bring a stable peace, far less reconciliation; moreover, no viable diplomatic agreement can even be reached until de-escalation of those antagonisms is put at the center of peacemaking efforts.
For that reason, focusing on the agreement-to-be cannot be so easily divorced from attention to the discord - precisely because of the need for, as you say, a "series of step by step agreements where each party can survey the progressive results." To see what I mean, please read Marc Gopin's blog entry, It Is What You Do That Defines You: A Re-Assessment of Diplomacy in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
The polarity of Love and Fear is built deeply into the structure of Jewish religious thought. Peace and anger, not so much. I would say that the paired opposite of peace is conflict, peace being more or less synonymous with harmony, in the sense of an integrated whole that is, as they say, "larger than the sum of its parts." I've recently posted about that here.
Christine, thank you for climbing down somewhat from the surprisingly hostile rhetoric of your first comment to me. I hope you have opened this conversation so that we both may learn from the encounter, and not just so you can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Yes, Christine, that's why Mary and I were speaking of the Tibetan and Palestinian responses, because they both face similar situations of exile, imposition of settlements, political repression, and all the other human rights abuses that go with military occupation. I wish the recognition of that similarity were, as you say, all it took for one to be "ready to make peace".
I'm interested to hear how you think we might be able to bring an end to the hatred and violence between Jews and Palestinians if we are unwilling to talk about it?
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thank you for your invitation and friendship.
I wish you a peacful time.
Eva
I always laugh when I hear of a woman saying that she has too much to say!
You know that women speak, I think, about 20,000 and men about 7,000? (forget the numbers, sorry, but you get the idea...!!). Nothing like it meaning women comunicate more than men!
That is another subject though...
anyhow, blogging is really neat. At least the person writing the blog gets it all out, as they say in America, but I am in Italy.....so we say "uno si sfoga"...
Must move on now....loved Australia, it really is a paradise. Have a good day and night.
Stephanie
Yes, of course talk alone is not enough - and yet, here we are, you and I, talking, presumably because we think this sort of dialog may help us to advance our work.
I am not "blaming" the problem on the hatred and violence; I am saying, rather, that the hatred and violence (and the fear and rage and unacknowledged shame and all the other forms of mutual alienation) are the problem - just as they are in a dysfunctional families, like the one I grew up in. No diplomatic agreement that fails to address those features can bring a stable peace, far less reconciliation; moreover, no viable diplomatic agreement can even be reached until de-escalation of those antagonisms is put at the center of peacemaking efforts.
For that reason, focusing on the agreement-to-be cannot be so easily divorced from attention to the discord - precisely because of the need for, as you say, a "series of step by step agreements where each party can survey the progressive results." To see what I mean, please read Marc Gopin's blog entry, It Is What You Do That Defines You: A Re-Assessment of Diplomacy in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
The polarity of Love and Fear is built deeply into the structure of Jewish religious thought. Peace and anger, not so much. I would say that the paired opposite of peace is conflict, peace being more or less synonymous with harmony, in the sense of an integrated whole that is, as they say, "larger than the sum of its parts." I've recently posted about that here.
Christine, thank you for climbing down somewhat from the surprisingly hostile rhetoric of your first comment to me. I hope you have opened this conversation so that we both may learn from the encounter, and not just so you can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Blessings,
-Hayyim
I'm interested to hear how you think we might be able to bring an end to the hatred and violence between Jews and Palestinians if we are unwilling to talk about it?
i am delighted to see you as well
it looks like a wonderful site here
all white, new starts looks always good
Glad to have a fellow Taswegian as a friend here!
All the best
This seems like a very sane place. Not sure that I will have the time to make a constructive contribution. I can probably learn much here.
Be well..
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